In this episode of the “Joni Table Talk” show, host Joni Lamb welcomes Dr. Doug Weiss, a clinical psychologist and the founder of Heart to Heart Counseling Center in Colorado Springs. The topic of discussion is centered around the concept of being indestructible and how it relates to sharing the Gospel fearlessly.
Before delving into the topic, Joni introduces the other participants at the table: April, Anna, Dorothy, Cindy Johnston, Cindy Murdock, and herself. They express their excitement and joy to be part of the show.
Dr. Doug Weiss explains that the truth he wants to share is that every human being is indestructible. He emphasizes that humans were the only creatures made eternal within time, unlike angels who were made eternal in eternity. This means that humans will outlive the mistakes, sins, and diseases of this world. He believes that every person has an end-time assignment and an eternal assignment.
Joni asks Dr. Weiss to share his personal story to inspire those who may feel stuck due to their past experiences. Dr. Weiss reveals that he was conceived in adultery, placed in foster homes, and experienced sexual abuse. He struggled with addiction but eventually had a life-changing encounter with Jesus at the age of 19. Since then, he has dedicated his life to helping others through counseling and therapy.
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The discussion touches on the importance of having a relationship with Christ and finding a supportive community when going through difficult times. Dr. Weiss emphasizes that everyone will get through their hardships, but how they choose to navigate them is crucial. He encourages individuals to seek help and guidance along their journey.
Dr. Weiss shares that Jesus has been his mentor and guide throughout his life. He mentions the influence of Bible school, seminary, and the presence of older men who consistently poured into his life.
Overall, the interview revolves around the message of finding hope and strength in knowing that every individual is indestructible, capable of overcoming challenges and fulfilling their purpose in life.
In the remaining part of the interview, Dr. Weiss discusses his personal experiences in church and his journey toward healing and becoming a healer. He emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility for one’s own healing and using one’s own experiences to help others. He also addresses the issue of why bad things happen and how to move past the victim mindset.
Dr. Weiss explains that he learned from his own experiences of being sexually addicted and cried out for help for years before finding a way out in seminary. He states that he has helped approximately 1,500,000 people overcome similar issues. He advises that if someone is going through a difficult situation, they should seek to learn from it because it may be an opportunity for them to become a teacher or healer in that area.
The topic of finding comfort in not having all the answers is also discussed. Dr. Weiss mentions that sometimes the reasons behind traumatic events or suffering may not be revealed, but individuals should focus on how to overcome and heal from those experiences. He emphasizes the importance of not giving power to the perpetrator but instead giving power to the healer, which allows for personal healing and the potential to become a healer for others.
The concept of “Indestructible” is introduced as a teaching that came about from Dr. Weiss listening to the stories of individuals who have gone through trauma and abuse and watching them overcome their challenges. He believes that every human soul, including aborted babies, is indestructible and continues to exist in eternity. Dr. Weiss also mentions Jesus preaching to people in hell and discusses the eternal nature of souls.
The interview concludes with Joni and Dr. Weiss inviting viewers to consider their own eternal destiny and to establish an intimate relationship with their creator. They lead a prayer for salvation and emphasize the importance of seeking help and guidance in the journey of faith.
Overall, the remaining part of the interview focuses on personal experiences, healing from trauma, understanding one’s eternal nature, and the invitation to establish a relationship with God.
Full Transcript Of Joni Lamb And Dr. Doug Weiss In “Joni Table Talk” Episode
JONI LAMB: SO DISCOVER WHAT’S
POSSIBLE WHEN YOU BREAK FREE
FROM FEAR AND DOUBT.
DR. DOUG WEISS UNCOVERS
A POWERFUL TRUTH
ABOUT HOW INDESTRUCTIBLE
YOU REALLY ARE.
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JONI LAMB: SO HOW BOLD WOULD
YOU BE IN SHARING THE GOSPEL
IF YOU KNEW NOTHING COULD
STOP OR BREAK YOU?
THE TRUTH IS, YOU ARE MORE
INDESTRUCTIBLE THAN YOU THINK,
AND WITH THE
HELP OF TODAY’S GUEST,
YOU’RE GOING TO
FIND OUT WHY.
BUT FIRST JOINING ME
AROUND THE TABLE IS APRIL.
ARE YOU GLAD TO HEAR THAT
YOU ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE?
APRIL SIMONS: I AM
SO GLAD TO HEAR IT.
SO EXCITED FOR THE SHOW.
IT’S GOING TO BE GREAT.
JONI: YEAH.
ANNA KENDALL?
ANNA KENDALL:
I’M EXCITED.
AND THIS SUBJECT,
THIS TOPIC,
MAKES ME REALIZE WHAT
A GIFT THIS LIFE IS.
JONI: IT REALLY IS.
ANNA: AND
YOU’RE ALL GIFTS.
YOU ALL ARE WONDERFUL.
I’M SO GLAD WE’RE IN
THE LIFE TOGETHER.
JONI: NO, WE’RE GLAD
YOU’RE HERE TOO
WITH YOUR
LITTLE BRIGHT SELF.
ANNA: AW, THANK YOU.
JONI: OUR LITTLE
RAY OF SUNSHINE, ANNA.
DOROTHY NEWTON IS EXCITED
AND SHINING BRIGHTLY RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE HER
GRANDBABY HAS ARRIVED.
ALL: YAY!
DOROTHY NEWTON: YES.
NATALIA CHRISTINE NEWTON.
SHE IS HERE.
JONI:
WE’VE GOT A PICTURE.
LET’S SHOW THE
PICTURE, EVERYBODY.
LET’S SEE THE PICTURE.
BEAUTIFUL.
SHE’S BEAUTIFUL.
DOROTHY: SHE IS.
JONI: AND SHE’S
GOT A LOT OF HAIR.
DOROTHY:
OH, MY GOODNESS,
SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE ME.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONI: I LOVE IT,
I LOVE IT.
SHE DOES, ACTUALLY.
ANNA: SHE DOES, YES.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONI: SHE’S BEAUTIFUL.
GRANDMAS FLOATING
OVER HERE.
WHAT’S GOING TO
BE YOUR NAME?
DOROTHY: LOVEY.
JONI: LOVEY.
DOROTHY: YES.
JONI: I LOVE ALL THESE
NEAT GRANDMA NAMES.
MINE’S NONI.
MINE WERE JUST GRANDMA.
[ LAUGHING ]
ANNA: GRANDMA
AND GRANDPA, SO.
JONI: CINDY JOHNSTON,
YOU’RE INDESTRUCTIBLE.
CINDY JOHNSTON: YES.
PRAISE GOD FOR THAT.
[ LAUGHING ]
CINDY JOHNSTON: AND
ANYBODY WATCHING TODAY
IS GOING TO REALIZE
THE HOPE THAT THEY HAVE
AND THAT THEY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE
WHEN YOU KNOW JESUS.
JONI: THAT’S RIGHT.
FOR SURE, FOR SURE.
AND YOU’RE
NICE AND BRIGHT.
CINDY JOHNSTON:
THANK YOU.
I’M LULA, BY THE WAY.
JONI: OH, LULA.
THAT IS YOUR NAME.
I LOVE THAT.
AND CINDY MURDOCK, YOUR NAME IS
— WELCOME TO THE TABLE.
CINDY MURDOCK: NONA.
JONI: NONA.
CINDY MURDOCK:
I’M GLAD TO BE HERE.
AND I THINK, LIKE CINDY
SAID AND THE OTHER WOMEN,
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE
SO MUCH HOPE TODAY
REALIZING
WE’RE INDESTRUCTIBLE.
AND WHAT CAN WE DO FOR
THE KINGDOM OF GOD
IF WE
REALIZE THAT?
JONI: FOR SURE,
FOR SURE.
WELL, HE’S
A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST
AND THE FOUNDER OF HEART
TO HEART COUNSELING CENTER
IN COLORADO SPRINGS.
PLEASE WELCOME
OUR DEAR FRIEND,
DR. DOUG WEISS IS HERE.
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JONI: OH,
HE’S RUNNING IN.
[ LAUGHING ]
DR. DOUG WEISS: HI, LADIES.
ALL: HI.
[ LAUGHING ]
CINDY MURDOCK: WELCOME.
DR. WEISS: LOOK
AT ALL THOSE SMILES.
JONI: WELCOME.
YEAH.
CINDY MURDOCK:
GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
JONI: ARE YOU STILL — YOU
FEEL SAFE WITH ALL THESE WOMEN?
DR. WEISS:
I’M ALWAYS SAFE.
I’M INDESTRUCTIBLE.
JONI: THAT IS RIGHT.
[ LAUGHING ]
ANNA: THAT’S WHY
HE CAN HANDLE THIS.
JONI: THAT’S RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS A BIGGER TABLE
THAN YOU’VE EVER BEEN AT BEFORE.
THERE ARE MORE
WOMEN AT THIS TABLE.
DR. WEISS: THAT DOESN’T CHANGE
THAT I’M INDESTRUCTIBLE.
JONI: THAT’S RIGHT.
YOU ARE.
THAT WAS A GOOD LINE
FOR YOUR TOPIC TODAY.
WITH THE WORLD BATTLING SO
MUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY,
MANY ARE DESPERATE FOR AN
ANSWER TO THEIR LOSS OF HOPE.
YET MANY BELIEVERS ARE
HESITANT TO SHARE THEIR FAITH
BECAUSE THEY ARE
MISSING THIS ONE SIMPLE TRUTH,
AND DR. DOUG IS
HERE TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND WHAT IS THAT TRUTH?
DR. WEISS: THAT WE
ACTUALLY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE,
THAT MAN IS THE
FIRST AND ONLY CREATURE
THAT WAS
MADE ETERNAL IN TIME.
OTHER ETERNAL BEINGS WERE
MADE ETERNAL IN ETERNITY.
JONI: LIKE ANGELS.
DR. WEISS: YES.
WE WERE MADE
ETERNALLY IN TIME,
WHICH MEANS THAT WE
WILL OUTLIVE TIME,
WE WILL OUTLIVE THE
MISTAKES OF THIS WORLD,
WE WILL OUTLIVE
WHAT WE CALL SIN,
WE’LL OUTLIVE
ALL DISEASES.
WE’LL OUTLIVE ALL THAT
BECAUSE WHEN GOD MADE ADAM,
HE BREATHED ETERNAL LIFE
INTO HIM FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND SO EVERY PERSON, WHETHER
THEY BELIEVE IN CHRIST OR NOT,
IS ETERNAL, AND THEY HAVE
AN END TIME ASSIGNMENT
AND AN
ETERNAL ASSIGNMENT.
JONI: SO I WOULD LOVE
FOR YOU TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT
OF YOUR STORY BECAUSE
THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING TODAY
AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU DON’T
KNOW WHAT I’VE BEEN THROUGH,
AND BECAUSE OF THAT,
I’M STUCK AND CAN’T REALLY WALK
INTO ALL THAT GOD HAS FOR ME.
THERE ARE MANY OF YOU
THAT FEEL THAT WAY.
BUT WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR
STORY AND HEAR HOW GOD
TOOK EVERYTHING YOU WENT THROUGH
AND NOW USES IT TO HELP OTHERS,
HE WANTS TO DO THE SAME
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE WATCHING.
DR. WEISS: FOR
A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I’VE WORKED WITH THOUSANDS OF
COUPLES OVER THIRTY-FIVE YEARS,
WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN
SEXUALLY ABUSED, RAPED,
AND ABORTIONS AND DIVORCES AND
NEGLECT AND BEING CHEATED ON.
AND YOU SEE THESE SOULS OVER
THIRTY YEARS ACTUALLY FIGHT
THROUGH AND GET
TO THE OTHER SIDE,
YOU’RE LIKE, WHAT’S
GOING ON WITH THAT?
THERE’S SOMETHING IN THEM
THAT THEY GET THROUGH THAT,
AND THAT’S WHAT REALLY
THE BASIS OF THIS WAS.
MY STORY WAS ONE, AS WELL.
I WAS CONCEIVED
IN ADULTERY.
I WAS PLACED IN
FOSTER HOMES.
JONI: WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT
YOU WERE CONCEIVED IN ADULTERY?
DR. WEISS:
SOMEWHERE ALONG,
SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN MY
MAYBE 10-12 AREA, I FOUND OUT.
JONI: BECAUSE YOU
DIDN’T LOOK LIKE YOUR —
DR. WEISS: YEAH, I DIDN’T
LOOK LIKE MY SISTERS, FOR SURE.
AND SOMEONE TOLD
ME THE STORY,
I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO, BUT SHE
WENT OUT ON HER FIRST HUSBAND
AND FOUND A GUY,
AND HE LOOKS LIKE ME.
AND SO I WAS
IN FOSTER CARE.
AND THEN I WAS
SEXUALLY ABUSED.
AND SEX-ADDICTED,
ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ADDICT,
ALL THAT KIND OF CRAZY
STUFF IN MY ADOLESCENCE.
AND THEN AT 19, I CAME TO
A PLACE WHERE I WANTED TO DIE.
I JUST KNELT DOWN
AND I SAID, JESUS,
I KNOW THAT YOU’RE GOD,
BUT I WANT TO DIE TODAY.
BUT I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU
THIRTY DAYS OF MY LIFE
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT
TO BE FAIR,
AND I’LL DO A HUNDRED PERCENT
OF WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO.
WELL, IT’S FORTY YEARS NOW.
[ LAUGHING ]
DR. WEISS: AND HE SENT ME
TO BIBLE SCHOOL THIRTY DAYS
AFTER THAT, AND
THEN WENT TO SEMINARY
AND GOT A COUNSELING DEGREE
AND A PH.D. IN PSYCHOLOGY.
AND WE’VE HELPED ENDLESS AMOUNTS
OF PEOPLE IN THEIR MARRIAGES
AND SEXUAL ADDICTION
AND INTIMACY ANOREXIA,
END OF
BETRAYAL TRAUMA.
AND I’M ALSO THE PRESIDENT
OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION
FOR SEX ADDICTION THERAPY,
SO I TRAIN COUNSELORS
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
AND SO GOD CAN TAKE,
NO MATTER WHAT PAIN YOU’RE IN,
IF YOU BELIEVE IT’S THE PAIN
THAT YOU’RE GOING TO DIE ON,
YOU COULD.
BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY INDESTRUCTIBLE
AND NOTHING
CAN STOP YOU,
THAT THIS IS JUST A SCAR,
THIS IS JUST A PROBLEM,
THIS IS JUST A
PASSING CLOUD,
YOU’RE GOING TO POP
THROUGH THAT THING
AND YOU’RE GOING TO BE
STRONGER, SMARTER,
AND MORE CAPABLE TO DO
WHAT YOUR ASSIGNMENT IS.
I HAD TO GO THROUGH HEALING
TO BECOME A HEALER.
DOROTHY: SO HOW DID
YOU, IN ALL OF THAT PAIN,
HOW DID YOU COME TO
KNOW THE LORD, THOUGH?
DID SOMEONE POINT
YOU TOWARD JESUS?
DR. WEISS: WELL, MY MOM
SENT ME TO A SALVATION ARMY CAMP
WHEN I WAS LIKE 12.
AND I ACCEPTED
CHRIST THEN.
SO I KNEW THE GOSPEL, BUT
I WASN’T FOLLOWING JESUS.
THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE
WHO KNOW ABOUT JESUS,
BUT THEY DON’T
KNOW JESUS, RIGHT.
WELL, THAT NIGHT
WHEN I WANTED TO DIE,
I MET JESUS AND
A RELATIONSHIP,
AND THAT WOULD TOTALLY
TRANSFORM MY LIFE.
ANNA: WHAT DO YOU SAY
ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT
GONE THROUGH BUT THAT
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS
OF GOING THROUGH A
LIFETIME OF DIFFICULTY?
DR. WEISS: WELL, I WOULD SAY
DEFINITELY GET A RELATIONSHIP
WITH CHRIST BECAUSE YOU
DON’T WANT TO BE ALONE.
AND THEN GET A COMMUNITY
OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND
WHAT’S GOING ON WITH YOU.
ANNA: OKAY.
SO PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH
THAT TO THE OTHER SIDE.
DR. WEISS:
THEY’RE GOING TO.
ANNA: AND OFTEN
WE NEED HELP.
DR. WEISS: THEY’RE
GOING TO GET THROUGH,
IT JUST DEPENDS HOW THEY
WANT TO GET THROUGH.
YOU’RE GOING TO
LIVE ETERNALLY,
YOU GET THROUGH, OKAY.
THE END IS,
THERE’S NO END.
ANNA: YES.
[ LAUGHING ]
DR. WEISS: THERE IS
NO END, YOU GET THROUGH.
ANNA: NEVERENDING.
DR. WEISS: OKAY.
BUT HOW YOU GET
THROUGH IS UP TO YOU.
ANNA: THAT’S GOOD.
DR. WEISS: AND THAT’S WHAT YOU
REALLY WANT TO DO WELL WITH.
CINDY JOHNSTON:
THAT WAY,
YOU ARE 19 AND YOU
ACCEPTED JESUS.
DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT WALKED
WITH YOU, DISCIPLED YOU, OR…?
DR. WEISS: JESUS.
HE REALLY DID.
HE REALLY TOOK
ME ON LIKE A SON,
BECAUSE I HAD NEVER
MET MY FATHER.
AND HE WOULD TELL ME
WHAT TO READ EVERY DAY.
HE STILL TELLS
ME WHAT TO READ.
I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, HE
TELLS ME WHAT CHAPTER TO READ,
AND I
READ THAT CHAPTER,
AND LIKE HE STILL
DISCIPLES ME,
BUT HE WOULD EVENTUALLY,
I WENT TO BIBLE SCHOOL
SO I GET MENTORED THERE.
I WENT TO SEMINARY, I GET
SOME MENTORING THERE.
AND PUT SOME MEN THAT WERE
AROUND ME AS AROUND 30,
BETWEEN 30 AND 55 OR 60.
I HAD SOME MEN IN MY LIFE
THAT REALLY CONSISTENTLY
SPEAKING INTO ME.
JONI: DIDN’T YOU GET IN A CHURCH
LIKE AFTER YOU GOT SAVED?
DR. WEISS: OKAY, YEAH,
I GOT RADICALLY IN CHURCH.
I WAS IN THE CHOIR.
I WAS SINGING
THIRTY DAYS A MONTH.
ALL: OOH!
DR. WEISS:
THOSE OLDER LADIES,
THOSE OLDER
LADIES LOVED ME.
THEY WERE GOING
TO BRING ME FOOD,
THEY WOULD DRIVE ME TO CHURCH
BECAUSE I WAS SO POOR
I DIDN’T HAVE A CAR.
I WAS IN A GREAT
CHURCH, YEAH.
THEY LOVED ON ME AND
I WAS IN THE CHOIR,
SINGING A CHRISTMAS
MUSICAL, YEAH,
WE HAD A GREAT TIME.
IT WAS GOOD.
APRIL: I LIKE
HOW YOU SAID YOU CAN
EITHER DIE ON A HILL
LIKE A VICTIM.
SO MANY TIMES, WE SEE PEOPLE
THAT HAVE THAT VICTIM MINDSET,
THEY’RE STUCK
IN A MOMENT,
THEY’RE STUCK IN THE
TRAUMA AND THE ABUSE.
HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF IT?
DR. WEISS: SURE.
WELL, SOMETIMES YOU’VE
GOT TO ASK THE LORD WHY,
AND HE’S NOT ALWAYS
GOING TO TELL YOU.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU
TAKE WHAT YOU’RE GOING THROUGH
AND SOLVE
THAT PROBLEM,
GOD’S GOING TO USE YOU
TO HEAL THAT PROBLEM
IN LOTS OF PEOPLE’S LIVES.
I WAS SEXUALLY ADDICTED,
I DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT
OF THAT.
I CRIED OUT FOR FOUR YEARS IN
BIBLE SCHOOL, COULDN’T GET OUT.
BUT IN SEMINARY, HE
SHOWED ME HOW TO GET OUT.
AND WE’VE SET PROBABLY 1,500,000
PEOPLE FREE EASILY, OKAY.
AND SO IN ALL OF
YOUTUBE STUFF,
THERE’S — AND PEOPLE
GETTING FREE ALL THE TIME.
AND SO I HAD TO GO THROUGH
A PROCESS TO BE HEALED
SO I COULD BECOME A HEALER.
AND SO IF YOU’RE IN A
SITUATION WHERE YOU NEED
TO LEARN SOMETHING,
LEARN IT,
BECAUSE GOD’S RAISING YOU UP
TO BE A TEACHER OF IT.
ANNA: DON’T YOU THINK THAT
YOU HAVE TO GET COMFORTABLE
WITH NOT GETTING THE ANSWERS
TO SOME QUESTIONS?
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE,
WOMEN I KNOW,
THEY GET STUCK ON WHY DID
THIS RAPE HAPPEN TO ME,
WHY DID I GET AN ILLICIT
— THEY CAN’T FIGURE THAT OUT,
SO THEY
CAN’T MOVE ON.
DR. WEISS: YEAH, WE HAD
A WHOLE YOUTUBE
THAT WHERE WAS GOD
WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
AND GOD WAS THERE, HE
WAS WATCHING THE PAIN,
BUT BECAUSE HE
GAVE FREE WILL,
HE HAS TO ALLOW
PAIN, OKAY.
NOW, WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT
PAIN, THAT’S UP TO YOU.
THE PERSON WHO
SEXUALLY ABUSED ME,
I HAVE HEALED THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
SEXUALLY ABUSED. SO YOU DON’T GIVE THE
POWER TO THE PERPETRATOR,
YOU GIVE THE POWER
TO THE HEALER.
DO YOU KNOW
WHAT I’M SAYING?
AND WHEN YOU GIVE THE
POWER TO THE HEALER,
YOU CAN HEAL AND THEN YOU
CAN BECOME A HEALER IN HIS HAND.
JONI: TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HOW THIS TEACHING CAME ABOUT,
INDESTRUCTIBLE.
DR. WEISS: WELL, THIS
TEACHING CAME ABOUT BY LISTENING
TO WOMEN AND MEN FOR THIRTY
YEARS WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH
ALL KINDS OF TRAUMA
AND ABUSE AND ABANDONMENT
AND NEGLECT
AND RAPES AND ABORTIONS
AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS,
AND WATCHING THEM
ACTUALLY GET TO
THE OTHER SIDE.
AND I’M LIKE, LORD,
WHAT AM I SEEING HERE?
BECAUSE THAT
LOOKED IMPOSSIBLE.
AND YET THIS PERSON IS
SOMEHOW GETTING THROUGH.
AND THEN IT WAS RECENTLY A
GUY GAVE ME THIS DOWNLOAD
ON INDESTRUCTIBLE HOW
WHEN GOD MADE ADAM,
HE BREATHED HIS OWN LIFE
INTO HIM SO EVERY HUMAN SOUL,
EVEN THOSE BABIES THAT WERE
ABORTED, WERE INDESTRUCTIBLE.
THEY DIDN’T DIE.
THEY JUST GOT TO
HEAVEN EARLIER, OKAY,
AND THEY’RE WAITING FOR YOU,
SO LIVE A GOOD LIFE, RIGHT.
AND SO AS YOU SAW THAT AND
THEN YOU SEE THROUGHOUT
THE SCRIPTURE WHERE THIS WHOLE
PATTERN OF INDESTRUCTIBLES
THERE, JESUS,
HE WENT TO HELL AND PREACHED TO
PEOPLE THAT WERE STILL THERE.
[ LAUGHING ]
DR. WEISS: YOU KNOW.
THEY WERE STILL THERE.
THEY COULD HEAR.
JESUS TALKED ABOUT
LAZARUS, THE RICH MAN,
WHO HAD ALL OF HIS SENSES.
HEY, COULD YOU HAVE HIM
DRIP SOME WATER DOWN
BECAUSE I’M THIRSTY
DOWN HERE, RIGHT?
AND SO LIKE HELL’S
A REAL THING,
HEAVEN’S A REAL THING.
AND BECAUSE WE’RE
ETERNAL SOULS,
EVEN THOUGH WE
WERE MADE IN TIME,
WE HAVE AN
ETERNAL LOCATION.
AND THAT’S WHAT WE
NEED TO GET BACK TO.
LIKE WE’RE NOT ON EARTH BECAUSE
TO GET A NICE CAPPUCCINO.
WE’RE ON EARTH BECAUSE
WE WERE SENT TO EARTH
TO GET SOMETHING DONE
IN TIME OR ETERNITY.
JONI: IT IS.
I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING THAT
THERE’S SOME OF YOU WATCHING
AND YOU’RE
GRASPING THAT, WOW,
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
LIVING FOREVER,
I HAVEN’T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT
THAT I’M GOING TO LIVE FOREVER,
BUT YOU’RE
GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.
AND THE REASON WE’RE
SHARING WITH YOU TODAY
IS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU
THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE FOREVER
IN ETERNITY WITH THE LORD
BECAUSE HE MADE PROVISION
FOR YOU THROUGH
HIS SON ON THE CROSS.
AND YOU SAY, OH, LISTEN, I DON’T
KNOW ABOUT RELIGION, CHURCH,
YOU KNOW.
WE’RE NOT TALKING
ABOUT THAT.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTIMATE
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR CREATOR,
THE ONE LIKE
DOUG WAS TALKING ABOUT
THAT BREATHED LIFE INTO YOU AND
THAT YOU BECAME AN ETERNAL SOUL
AT CONCEPTION.
THAT’S WHY WE TALK ABOUT
WOMEN THAT HAVE HAD ABORTIONS.
AND I’M NOT HERE TO JUDGE THAT
BECAUSE GOD LOVES EVERYONE.
I DON’T KNOW THE REASON WHY YOU
DID OR DID NOT MAKE THAT
DECISION, BUT I DO WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT AT CONCEPTION,
A BABY
IS AN ETERNAL SOUL.
AN ETERNAL SOUL IS
CREATED AT CONCEPTION.
AND IF YOU DID
HAVE AN ABORTION,
THEN YOU WILL SEE
THAT CHILD AGAIN.
THERE’S AN ARGUMENT THAT
THE SCIENCE AND WHAT, DA DA DA.
YEAH, WELL, THE BIBLE IS
VERY CLEAR THAT I KNEW YOU
BEFORE YOU WERE FORMED
IN YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB.
SO WE DON’T WANT YOU TO FEEL
THAT SHAME THAT’S ASSOCIATED
WITH THAT, BUT
REALLY WHAT’S IMPORTANT HERE
IS ARE YOU
READY FOR ETERNITY?
SO DOUG, WHY DON’T YOU LEAD US
IN A PRAYER, A SINNER’S PRAYER.
SOME OF YOU ARE LIKE, I
DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT I’M DOING
RIGHT NOW.
JUST STAY RIGHT THERE
AND LISTEN.
WE’LL REPEAT AFTER YOU
AND EXPLAIN WHY
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.
DR. WEISS: WELL,
FOR ME, I’LL TELL YOU,
I DIDN’T HAVE A
RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.
I HAD A JESUS EXPERIENCE.
THERE WAS NO ONE THERE,
JUST ME AND HIM.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU’RE
ON YOUR CELL PHONE
AND YOU’RE ON YOUR COMPUTER,
YOU’RE WATCHING ON TV,
YOU MIGHT BE ALONE.
BUT JESUS WANTS
TO LOVE YOU.
HE REALLY DOES.
HE CAME, HE GAVE HIS LIFE
FOR YOU TO DIE FOR YOU
SO YOU COULD RESURRECT
WITH HIM IN LIFE
AND THAT YOU COULD BE
VICTORIOUS OVER THE PROBLEMS
THAT ARE IN YOUR LIFE.
WOULDN’T IT BE GREAT IF
THE GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH
WILL ACTUALLY HELP YOU?
AND HE WANTS TO.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, I’M
GOING TO SAY A PRAYER,
AND WHAT I WANT YOU TO
DO IS REPEAT AFTER ME,
SO I’M GOING TO SAY WORDS,
YOU’RE GOING TO SAY
THE SAME WORDS.
OKAY.
SAY, JESUS, FORGIVE ME.
I WANT TO FOLLOW
YOU ALL MY LIFE.
IN JESUS’ NAME.
NOW, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU SAID
THAT PRAYER FROM YOUR HEART,
NOT RELIGIOUSLY BUT
FROM YOUR HEART, JESUS,
I REALLY NEED YOU.
I DO, I DO, I NEED YOU.
THEN HE HEARD YOU.
AND YOU’VE BEEN SAVED.
NOW, YOU MIGHT NEED TO
GET SOME INFORMATION,
TALK TO A LOCAL PASTOR.
YOU CAN CALL
THE NUMBER HERE.
YOU CAN GET HELP.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE NOW YOU’RE ON
YOUR ETERNAL ASSIGNMENT
IN TIME,
AND THOSE ARE THE HAPPIEST
PEOPLE I EVER MET WHO KNEW
WHY THEY WERE
SENT TO EARTH.
AND TODAY,
THAT CAN BE YOU.
JONI: YEAH.
ALL OF US HAVE
EXPERIENCED THAT PRAYER.
WE’VE EXPERIENCED A
PERSONAL INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE LORD,
AND IT WILL CHANGE
YOUR LIFE FOREVER.
I DON’T CARE WHAT KIND
OF MESS YOU’RE IN,
TODAY’S A NEW DAY FOR YOU.
AND JUST LIKE DR. WEISS
IS TALKING ABOUT AT 19,
HIS LIFE WAS TRANSFORMED,
BUT YOU LOOK AT THE MESS
HE CAME OUT OF, HOW COULD
HE BE SITTING HERE LIKE THIS?
WELL, HE PRAYED
THAT PRAYER.
GOD CAN DO THE
SAME THING FOR YOU.
THE BIBLE SAYS HE’S
NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
AND ANYONE WHO CALLS OUT
ON THE NAME OF THE LORD
HE WILL HEAR YOU.
I ALWAYS SHARE ABOUT MY
GRANDFATHER BECAUSE HE HAD
SUCH A HUGE IMPACT ON MY
LIFE, BUT HE WAS BORN,
HIS MOTHER DIED GIVING
BIRTH TO HIM AT HOME
SO HE NEVER KNEW HIS MOTHER,
THEN HIS DAD COMMITTED SUICIDE
WHEN HE WAS
SIX YEARS OLD,
AND THEN WHEN HE
WAS NINE YEARS OLD,
HE WAS SENT BETWEEN RELATIVES
TO LIVE, THEY’RE VERY POOR.
AND HE TELLS ME ABOUT THE
SAME THING AT 19 YEARS OF AGE,
AT A TOOL AND DYE MILL
IN GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA,
HE KNELT DOWN AT THE
WATER FOUNTAIN AND DIDN’T KNOW
HOW TO PRAY,
DIDN’T GO TO CHURCH,
CUSSED LIKE A SAILOR.
[ CHUCKLES ]
KNELT DOWN AND
JUST SAID, GOD,
IF YOU’RE THERE,
I NEED YOU.
THAT’S WHAT HE PRAYED.
GOD, IF YOU’RE
THERE, I NEED YOU.
THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.
BUT IT WAS FROM
A SINCERE HEART.
SOME OF YOU, YOUR HEART
HAS BEEN CRYING OUT FOR HELP,
AND GOD IS LIKE,
I’M THE ANSWER, I’M THE ANSWER.
I’M RIGHT HERE FOR YOU,
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK.
AND IT TRANSFORMED HIS
LIFE AND OUR FAMILY,
THE DIRECTION
OF OUR FAMILY.
SOME OF YOU SAID, WELL,
MY FAMILY’S A MESS.
WELL, NOW IS A GOOD TIME
TO SEE THAT CHANGE
AND THAT DIRECTION CHANGE,
AND IT WILL CHANGE
WHEN GOD COMES IN.
BUT THAT IS SUCH A
NEAT PERSPECTIVE,
INDESTRUCTIBLE, BECAUSE
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES,
WE ARE
ENCAPSULATED IN TIME,
AND I’VE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE THAT
HAVE HAD NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES,
AND THAT’S WHAT
THEY TALK ABOUT
IS THAT THERE IS
NO TIME CONSTRAINTS IN HEAVEN.
DR. WEISS: RIGHT.
YEAH. AND THEN WHEN YOU
REALLY GET THAT,
THAT YOU’RE AN ETERNAL BEING,
YOU PLAY DIFFERENTLY.
DOROTHY: I BELIEVE OUR BORN
IDENTITY IS INDESTRUCTIBLE,
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
BUT AS HUMANS, WE LIVE THE PAST,
THE PRESENT, AND THE FUTURE.
I BELIEVE A LOT OF TIMES
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT
PEOPLE ARE STUCK
IN THE PAST.
IT’S OKAY TO
REFLECT ON THE PAST,
BUT HOW DO WE DECIPHER
THE THREE SO THAT WE ARE
IN A HEALTHY PLACE?
DR. WEISS: THAT IS A
GREAT QUESTION, DOROTHY,
BECAUSE CARS WERE
NOT MEANT TO DRIVE
LOOKING IN
THE REARVIEW MIRROR.
AND NEITHER WERE HUMANS.
THE EYES ARE NOT ON THE
BACK OF YOUR HEAD FOR A REASON.
BECAUSE YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO
LOOK FORWARD NOT BACKWARD, OKAY.
AND IT’S OKAY TO
LEARN FROM A LESSON.
YOU MADE A MISTAKE OR SOMEONE
IN YOUR LIFE MADE A MISTAKE
AND YOU
LEARN FROM THEM.
THAT’S CALLED WISDOM
THAT YOU CAN LEARN
FROM OTHER
PEOPLE’S MISTAKES, OKAY.
AND TO COLLECT
THAT DATA IS FINE.
BUT TO PUT YOUR EMOTIONS
AND YOUR HEART BACK THERE,
YOU’RE DRIVING BACKWARDS.
AND SO YOU’RE LOSING YOUR
PRESENT AND YOUR FUTURE
BECAUSE YOU’RE
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU WANT — GOD IS A GOD
OF NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
HE’S NOT BACK THERE, HE
ALREADY FORGAVE THAT.
AND SO YOU WANT TO
STAY IN THE PRESENCE.
SO IF YOU FIND
YOURSELF RUMINATING,
GET SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
SAY, YEP, I’M IN THE
PAST, FORGIVE ME,
AND JUST START CALLING A
GIRL FRIEND OR A GUY FRIEND
IF YOU’RE A GUY AND SAY,
I’M GOING TO WORK ON THIS,
I’M GOING TO WORK ON NOT
LIVING MY LIFE IN A LIFE
THAT ALREADY WAS LIVED.
I WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE IN
A LIFE THAT CAN BE LIVED.
AND SOME PEOPLE,
THEY GET INTO THAT,
SOMETIMES THEY GET DEPRESSED
OR THEY HAVE A PERSONALITY
WHICH IS
DOOM AND GLOOM,
BUT ADMITTING YOU
CAN SHIFT THAT. BUT GOD’S NOT INTO THAT,
HE’S NOT INTO YOU LOOKING
AT THE BACK, DO YOU
SEE WHAT I’M SAYING.
JESUS NEVER REMINDED
SOMEONE OF THEIR PAST.
HE MIGHT HAVE WARNED
THEM, LIKE, HEY,
YOU HAVE FIVE HUSBANDS,
BUT THAT’S JUST SO YOU KNOW
WHO I AM.
THAT WASN’T FOR
ME TO SHAME YOU,
DO YOU KNOW
WHAT I’M SAYING?
AND SO HE DOESN’T
GO BACK THERE,
AND SO WHY SHOULD WE?
CINDY MURDOCK:
DR. DOUG,
I WISH YOU WOULD MAYBE
SHARE A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE STORY OF
LAZARUS IN HELL,
BECAUSE I WAS THINKING
ABOUT PEOPLE THAT MAY THINK,
WELL, WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT
TO PRAY THE SINNER’S PRAYER?
WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR ME
TO THINK OF ETERNITY IN HEAVEN,
BUT WE ARE
INDESTRUCTIBLE IN HELL,
LIKE YOU SHOWED EARLIER.
BUT I THINK ABOUT
LAZARUS’ STORY,
EVEN WHEN HE WAS SAYING,
PLEASE TELL THEM,
TELL THEM THIS MESSAGE.
DR. WEISS: WELL, AND
IN LUKE, IT’S LUKE 16,
IT WAS THE RICH MAN
WHO WAS IN HELL
AND LAZARUS THE POOR GUY WHO WAS
WITH ABRAHAM’S BOSOM, RIGHT.
AND THERE WAS THIS
CHASM BETWEEN THEM.
BUT THE MAN WHO WAS IN
HELL, THE RICH MAN,
HE COULD SEE, HE COULD
TASTE, HE COULD FEEL,
SO HE WAS ACTUALLY
BEING CONSUMED IN PAIN.
SO HELL IS REAL.
IT’S PAINFUL.
YOU’RE FEELING IT.
YOU’RE FEELING THE PAIN
ALL THE TIME, RIGHT.
GOD DOESN’T WANT
THAT FOR ANYBODY.
BUT LAZARUS WAS SAYING,
HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT,
SEND SOMEBODY BACK
TO TELL MY BROTHERS.
AND IN THE STORY,
JESUS SAYS,
THEY HAVE THE PROPHETS.
SO YOU MIGHT ALREADY
KNOW ENOUGH TO GET YOU
IN SERIOUS TROUBLE, OKAY.
SO YOU WANT TO
REALLY WALK IT OUT,
REALLY GET IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,
BECAUSE HEAVEN’S REAL
AND HELL’S REAL.
JONI: YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW THE
HAPPIEST PEOPLE THAT —
I’VE INTERVIEWED THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS,
AND THE HAPPIEST PEOPLE
ARE THOSE
THAT ARE SURRENDERED TO GOD,
CONNECTED TO HIM,
AND SERVING PEOPLE.
THEY’RE ALWAYS
THE HAPPIEST PEOPLE.
AND I THINK IT’S
IMPORTANT, TOO.
WE MENTIONED HEAVEN AND
HELL THAT GOD NEVER —
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT HELL
HAS ENLARGED ITSELF,
BUT HE NEVER INTENDED
REALLY FOR OR WANTED
ANYBODY TO GO THERE.
THAT’S WHY HE MADE
PROVISION THROUGH HIS SON,
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT
SIMPLE SCRIPTURE,
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT
HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
THAT WHOSOEVER
BELIEVETH IN HIM
WILL NOT PERISH BUT
HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
AND AGAIN WE’VE DONE PROGRAMS
ON NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES
WHERE PEOPLE
ACTUALLY WENT TO HEAVEN
AND WENT TO HELL, AND THE
REASON WE TALK ABOUT IT IS
SOMETIMES UNCOMFORTABLE
FOR CHURCHES TO MENTION
THAT HELL WORD, BUT WE TALK
ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT’S REAL
AND BECAUSE WE DON’T
WANT YOU TO GO THERE.
WE WANT YOU TO SPEND
ETERNITY IN HEAVEN.
IT’S SO, SO IMPORTANT.
JUST TAKE A MOMENT,
IF YOU WOULD,
AND TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE
FELT LIKE THEY WERE DESTRUCTIBLE
BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENED
TO THEM IN LIFE.
DR. WEISS: MM-HM.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR LIFE
IN TIME AND YOU HIT A DISEASE,
YOU HIT A
PRODIGAL SON OR A DAUGHTER,
YOU HIT A DIVORCE,
YOU HIT ABORTIONS, YOU
HIT RAPES AND TRAUMAS
OR FINANCIAL RUIN OR A
CAREER BEING DEVASTATED,
THOSE ARE ALL
HAPPENING IN TIME.
AND IF ALL YOU SEE IS
TIME, YOU’RE GOING TO SAY,
THIS IS EXTREMELY PAINFUL.
I DON’T KNOW IF
I CAN MAKE IT.
BUT WHEN YOU OPEN
YOUR HEART TO THE FACT
THAT YOU’RE NOT GOING TO
BE IN TIME FOREVER.
ACTUALLY, YOU’RE GOING TO BE IN
TIME THAT MUCH OF YOUR LIFE.
AND YOU CAN GET REFOCUSED,
RECALIBRATED INTO,
YOU KNOW WHAT,
THIS IS NOT FUN,
BUT THIS IS NOT WHERE I
END BECAUSE I DON’T END.
AND YOU BEGIN TO GET SOMETHING
IN YOUR SPIRIT THAT SAYS,
I AM THE STORM.
[ LAUGHING ]
DR. WEISS: AND YOU GET
OUT OF THAT BED AND YOU GET OUT
AND YOU CAN — IF YOU CAN ONLY
TAKE ONE STEP A DAY,
YOU TAKE ONE
THEN YOU TAKE TWO.
AND IF YOU CAN ONLY PAY BACK
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEBT
AT A TIME,
YOU START DOING IT.
YOU START TAKING MOMENTUM
TOWARDS A SOLUTION.
AND YOUR BELIEF
IS THE DIFFERENCE.
SO BELIEVE THAT YOU
CAN GET THROUGH.
AND YOU WILL, BECAUSE YOU
CAN GET THROUGH ANYWAY.
YOU’RE GOING
TO GET THROUGH.
HOW YOU GET THROUGH,
THAT’S UP TO YOU.
AND YOU CAN MAKE
THAT SHORTER,
YOU CAN MAKE THAT FASTER,
YOU CAN MAKE IT BETTER
IF YOU REALLY BRING
CHRIST INTO THAT,
BUT ALSO BRING SOME PEOPLE
INTO THAT AND HELP YOU
WALK THROUGH THIS.
STOP BEING SO INDEPENDENT.
LET PEOPLE LOVE ON YOU
WHEN YOU’RE IN THAT PLACE.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES, AND I
DON’T LIKE IT, EITHER,
I’LL BE REAL HONEST, I DON’T
LIKE THE HUMILITY SOMETIMES
OF GOING
THROUGH TOUGH STUFF.
I DON’T LIKE IT.
BUT IF YOU LET SOME PEOPLE
LOVE ON YOU, IT’S LIKE,
WOW, I KNOW WHO
MY FRIENDS ARE.
SO WHEN I’M IN
A HIGH PLACE,
I KNOW WHO I’M
TAKING OUT TO DINNER.
AND IT’S THAT
KIND OF THING.
JONI: AND I’M THINKING
ABOUT THOSE CHURCH LADIES
THAT BROUGHT YOU FOOD
AND GAVE YOU A RIDE.
THEY WANTED TO BE
A BLESSING TO YOU.
AND SO LIKE SOMEBODY
SAYING, WELL,
I JUST PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
BUT WHAT DO I DO TOMORROW,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, LIKE WHAT
HAPPENED TO YOU THE NEXT DAY
AND THE NEXT DAY
AND THE NEXT DAY
AS YOU WERE
ON YOUR WALK?
DR. WEISS: SOMEHOW,
I HAVE FOUND A BIBLE.
I DON’T KNOW HOW I FOUND A
BIBLE, BUT I GOT A BIBLE,
AND I STARTED
READING THE BIBLE.
I WOULD SAY, START
READING THE BOOK OF JOHN.
I WOULD SAY CALL SOME
CHURCHES IN YOUR AREA
AND SEE IF YOU LIKE ONE OF THEM
AND TALK TO THOSE PASTORS
AND SAY, I
JUST HAD THIS PRAYER,
AND I DON’T REALLY KNOW
HOW TO FOLLOW JESUS.
AND THEY’LL TELL YOU.
THAT’S THEIR JOB, OKAY.
THEY GET PAID TO TELL
PEOPLE HOW TO DO THIS.
SO FIND A LOCAL CHURCHES YOU CAN
GO TO AND FIND ONE YOU LIKE,
AND THEN HOOK UP
WITH THOSE PEOPLE FOR A WHILE
AND REALLY START READING
AND PRAYING AND SEEKING GOD.
HE WILL DIRECT YOU.
SAY, GOD,
I NEED DIRECTION.
AND YOU’LL FIND WEIRD THINGS
HAPPEN TO YOUR LIFE.
JONI: IT’S SO GOOD.
APRIL: I THINK
A LOT OF TIMES,
I LOVE HOW YOU DO IT, YOU’RE
PUTTING FEET TO YOUR FAITH.
AND HOW IMPORTANT IS IT?
WE KNOW FROM SCRIPTURE TO
WRITE THE VISION DOWN.
SO SOMEONE IS DECIDING THIS IS
NOT HOW MY STORY’S GOING TO END.
THEY HAVE TO DREAM BIGGER, THEY
HAVE TO WRITE THE VISION DOWN,
THEY HAVE TO
HAVE SOMETHING TO FOCUS ON
THAT’S NOT THEIR PAST,
LIKE DOROTHY SAID,
BUT IS A GREAT FUTURE.
WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY TO PEOPLE?
DR. WEISS: WELL, IF
THEY’RE INTO REST AND PAIN,
THEY’RE TRYING
TO GET OUT OF IT,
BUT I WOULD SAY, WHAT
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE BACK
AFTER YOU’RE DONE?
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HELP WOMEN
WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH ABORTIONS
OR HOW WOULD YOU
LIKE TO HELP MEN
WHO HAVE GONE
THROUGH PAIN?
HOW WOULD YOU WANT
TO HELP PEOPLE?
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE
TO WRITE ABOUT THIS,
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE
TO THINK ABOUT THIS,
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE
TO DO ABOUT THIS?
BUT JUST KEEP IT ON THE SIDEBAR
AS YOU’RE GOING THROUGH IT
AND WRITE DOWN
THE BOOKS THAT YOU CAN SEND,
WRITE DOWN THE
PEOPLE YOU GET SENT
AND WRITE DOWN YOUR JOURNEY,
BECAUSE THOSE ARE CALLED BOOKS
LATER ON, OKAY.
AND IT’S GOOD TO GO,
I’M NOT GOING TO BE HERE.
ANNA: SO MANY TIMES,
YOU HEAR PEOPLE WHO WILL
GO TO THE MAD OVER
SOMETHING THAT’S UNIMPORTANT.
AND I’M SURE YOU’VE SEEN
COUPLES AND WE’VE SEEN COUPLES
THAT COME IN AND
THEY’RE JUST FALLING APART
OVER UNIMPORTANT THINGS.
AND IN THIS WHOLE
INDESTRUCTIBLE CONCEPT,
IF WE CAN GET
PEOPLE TO SAY,
WHAT DOES THIS COUNT
TOWARDS ETERNITY?
DR. WEISS: AND
SOMETIMES YOU’RE PUT IN THE SPOT
BECAUSE GOD WANTS
TO EDUCATE YOU
AND HE WANTS TO
GIVE YOU DISCIPLINES.
NOW, AMERICANS DON’T LIKE
THE WORD DISCIPLINES.
ALL: NO.
DR. WEISS: THEY DON’T.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU’RE GIVEN
DISCIPLINES TO CREATE WEALTH
IN YOUR LIFE.
SOMETIMES YOU’RE GIVEN
DISCIPLINES TO HAVE
A BETTER RELATIONSHIP.
SOMETIMES YOU’RE
GIVEN DISCIPLINES
TO HAVE BETTER HEALTH BECAUSE
YOU WEREN’T RESPONSIBLE
WITH THE HEALTH
YOU WERE GIVEN.
ANNA: YES, THAT’S GOOD.
DR. WEISS: RIGHT.
AND SO SOMETIMES
THE ANSWER IS —
THE ANSWER TO YOUR PRAYER IS
CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
AND THEN HE SENDS YOU PEOPLE
WHO TELL YOU HOW TO DO THAT.
[ LAUGHING ]
DOROTHY: DR. DOUG.
DR. WEISS: YES, MA’AM?
DOROTHY: QUESTION.
THIS IS A BIG ONE.
I’M SENDING
PEOPLE TO CHURCH.
AND THE RESPONSE I’M
GETTING BACK IS THAT
THEY FEEL MORE
LOST IN CHURCH.
WHAT’S GOING ON?
DR. WEISS: YOU MIGHT
WANT TO PICK ANOTHER CHURCH.
BUT I THINK THAT SADLY WE’RE
NOT DOING EVANGELISM IN CHURCH,
WE’RE NOT DOING — WE’RE NOT
MAKING DISCIPLES IN CHURCH.
WE’RE BEING ENTERTAINED.
SOMEWHERE AROUND 2010,
THE CHURCH TOOK A MOVE.
SOME CHURCHES, NOT ALL,
TOOK A MOVE TOWARDS
YOUR COFFEE’S MORE IMPORTANT
THAN AN ALTAR CALL,
DO YOU KNOW
WHAT I’M SAYING?
AND OUR BIG SCREEN IS
MORE IMPORTANT
THAN REALLY TALKING ABOUT
DISCIPLING PEOPLE.
JONI: OR WORSHIP.
DR. WEISS:
OR WORSHIP, YEAH.
JONI: OR MUSIC.
DR. WEISS: AND YEAH.
SO WE WENT TO IT, AND WE HAVE AN
ENTERTAINMENT CHURCH RIGHT NOW
IN SOME CASES.
AND THEN THERE’S REALLY
GOOD CHURCHES WHO ARE ON FIRE
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
AND DISCIPLING PEOPLE.
BUT I’VE TRIED TO MAYBE
GEAR THEM TOWARDS A CHURCH
THAT HAS A
DISCIPLESHIP PROGRAM.
AND ACTUALLY HAS
AN ALTAR CALL.
I REMEMBER I WENT FROM ONE
CHURCH TO ANOTHER CHURCH.
SO BECAUSE THAT CHURCH,
THE PASTOR HAD AN ISSUE
AND A NEW PASTOR CAME ON,
AND THERE WAS NO ALTAR CALLS.
AND SO STAYED THERE FOR
A WHILE, BUT I’M LIKE,
I NEED TO BE IN A
CHURCH THAT DOES THAT.
I WENT THROUGH FIVE OR SIX
CHARISMATIC FULL GOSPEL CHURCHES
THAT DIDN’T DO
ALTAR CALLS.
THEY HAD NO
DISCIPLESHIP PROGRAM.
AND SO WE’RE OFF-BASE
IN SOME PLACES.
SO I FIND A PLACE WHERE IT’S
MORE CENTERED ON DISCIPLESHIP
AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
GETTING SAVED, FOR SURE.
JONI: AND A CHURCH THAT
BELIEVES IN THE WHOLE BIBLE.
ALL: YES.
JONI: BUT YEAH.
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
CAN LEAD YOU ON THAT.
DR. WEISS: HE DOES.
JONI: AND HE
WILL DO THAT.
AND YOU SAY, WELL, I DON’T
KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS.
WELL, JUST TRY THAT PRAYER THING
AND JUST SAY, HEY,
GOD, WHAT ARE
WE DOING TODAY?
AND YOU’LL BE SURPRISED
THE PEOPLE THAT HE’LL SEND
ACROSS YOUR PATH AND
DOORS THAT WILL OPEN,
IT WILL BE AMAZING.
WELL, WE ARE OUT OF TIME,
BUT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER
THAT GOD CREATED EVERY PERSON
WITH AN INDESTRUCTIBLE SOUL,
AND THAT’S WHY
IT’S SO IMPORTANT
THAT WE AS THE CHURCH
DON’T SHY AWAY
FROM SHARING
THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL.
THINK ABOUT THIS,
SOMEONE’S ETERNITY IS DEPENDING
ON YOUR BOLDNESS.
YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE
PEOPLE THAT WORK AROUND YOU,
THOSE OF YOU THAT
KNOW THE LORD
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU’RE
SHY OR YOU DON’T WANT TO SHARE.
BUT I’M TELLING YOU, AFTER
YOU HEAR THIS TODAY,
I THINK YOU’RE GOING
TO HAVE A COURAGE OF BOLDNESS.
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT’S
GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TALK TO SOMEONE AND
YOU’RE GOING TO BE LIKE,
OKAY, THIS IS IT,
I’M GOING TO DO IT.
AND YOU’RE GOING TO DO IT
AND GOD’S GOING TO USE YOU
AND IT’S GOING TO TOUCH
YOUR HEART AND GOD’S HEART
IN A WAY THAT YOU’VE NEVER
EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
WELL, IF YOU’RE WATCHING TODAY
AND THIS MESSAGE HAS STIRRED
YOUR HEART, AND
MAYBE YOU NEED SOMEONE TO PRAY
WITH YOU TODAY.
THAT’S WHY THAT TOLL-FREE
NUMBER’S ON THE SCREEN.
WE HAVE AMAZING
PRAYER PARTNERS STANDING BY.
WE COUNT IT A PRIVILEGE AND AN
HONOR TO PRAY WITH AND FOR YOU.
SO AVAIL YOURSELF
TO THAT NUMBER.
IF YOU GET A VOICEMAIL,
SOMETIMES EVERYBODY CALLS
AT ONCE.
JUST LEAVE YOUR NAME AND
NUMBER AND A REAL PERSON —
YES, A REAL PERSON —
WILL CALL YOU BACK.
I WANT TO THANK DR. DOUG WEISS
FOR JOINING US AT THE TABLE.
BE SURE TO PICK UP THE
POWERBOOK AND VIDEO SERIES,
INDESTRUCTIBLE.
IT’S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
JUST GO TO DRDOUGWEISS.COM
TO FIND OUT MORE.
AND LET US KNOW HOW TODAY’S
PROGRAM TOUCHED YOUR LIFE
BY LEAVING US A COMMENT ON
FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, TWITTER,
YOUTUBE.
ALSO CALL AND LET US KNOW
IF YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEND YOU
A FREE BOOK ENTITLEDNOW WHAT?
HEY, THIS IS A NEW DAY.
I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT WHAT
GOD IS GOING TO DO FOR YOU
IN THE DAYS AHEAD.
BE SURE AND LET US KNOW, WE
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK
FROM THAT.
THANK YOU, DR. WEISS.
THANK YOU,
LADIES AT THE TABLE.
WE’LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
BYE-BYE FOR TODAY.
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